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Thoughts on Fantasy

Journal Entry: Fri Jun 13, 2008, 9:00 AM
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I was reading the blog of someone I used to speak to more in former days than I do now, back before they got a little strange and decided to break contact with a group of friends we used to have in common and go off into their own 'the way I live my life is right for me and forget everyone else' bubble. Now, although I rarely hear from them anymore (at all, really), I was reading their blog. They, like myself, was a fan of the fantasy genre, but more recently they've decided they 'want to write about real people and real scenarios because fantasy is made-up.' Not their exact words, but the sentiment was there.

And it annoyed me greatly.

Now, I don't have a problem with them wanting to do that, per se, but I did have a problem with the narrow-minded way they spoke of fantasy, as if it was only for children or people out of touch with reality. Here, I will make the assertion that such a sentiment can't be further from the truth.

As a writer, as any kind of writer, whether you like fantasy, romance, horror or crime stories as your genre of choice to write about, there are a few things you need to know, need to do. You need to know about people and human nature--what makes people act and tick, what makes them do the things they do, say the things they say. This is something universal that cuts across all genres, regardless of whether you've made up the world your story is taking place in or not. If you'd like to write something in a realistic setting, hats off to you. Have fun. But keep in mind that the above still applies--you can be writing about the king of England and if you don't make him believable to your reader, whether he's real or you're supposing he's someone that will rule England in the future, he's going to come across to an audience as a flat character and even if your story is realistic, people won't care for it. If you don't know human nature, or know the basics behind how the world (and this applies to any world) works, you're going to screw it up. But if you think your writing will be 'better' just because it takes place in the 'real world' have fun thinking that.

I suppose the point I'm driving at to refute what this person has said is, it's not what you write but how you write it. It's always irritated me when people relegate fantasy into a corner because it never happened or never can happen. That doesn't mean the stories are 'immature' (look at the Kushiel series if you want a hint of what I mean) or exclusively for children and teenagers. Even stories in fantastical settings require research if the author wants to convey something similar to what exists in real life, Kushiel being another good example of adult fantasy that does that (yes, *gasp* I said the words 'adult' and 'fantasy' in the same sentence, it does exist, Virginia!).

You need to have a certain mindset to observe people, as well. If you're more of a talker than a listener, you won't grasp as much as say, the person that is sitting listening rather than actively joining into a conversation. Not to say that you can't talk and observe at the same time, but the key is, you need to have an awareness outside of yourself, an awareness that isn't selfish and self-absorbed and interested only in what you think, want, or are speaking of. Again, it's something universal to all genres, not just fantasy, not just crime stories or realistic-what-have-you. If you're selfish with your feelings, closed off to the feelings of others, or are afraid to be open to things because your personal feelings/religion/etc. forbids it, you're not being a writer. You're not experiencing the full gamut of life, even if you dislike or have moral objections to some of it. You're being selective and in the end, limiting your own growth as a writer and more importantly, as a person. Just because you write about something doesn't make you that thing or subject. I could write about a crack-smoking street-walker in first person, but that doesn't make me a crack-smoking street-walker, it makes me a writer putting myself into the shoes of a street-walker for the duration of a story, nothing more or less.

I'm sorry if this seems out of the blue or even crass to some of you; I have pet peeves when it comes to narrow-mindedness based on limited experiences or people thinking one genre is 'superior' to another. That's something else that simply isn't true.

There are superior writers, not superior genres, and I wish more people would recognize that.



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No, I agree. Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean you can't make it seem real. I don't dislike non-fiction, but I've always adored fantasy more because you had a chance to make things happen that normally doesn't in real life. It's your world, your creation. Freedom. And if research needs to be applied, then do it. I've done it, though it's more implied in certain settings because the need for it was unnecessary for that setting.

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I think some of my hang-up is, people seem to think fantasy is just for kids or can't teach the same things realistic fiction can because it's fantasy, which is ignorant to think and untrue.

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I agree. I've had a few spats with friends (and others) about this and I totally sympathize with ranting about it. :D

My brother made a point on this subject that I can kind of understand. He's a huge fantasy lover too but he told me he would probably write contemporary fiction if he ever really wrote anything. This was years ago and I know for a fact that he's working on some fantasy stories right now, but this is what he said at the time: contemporary fiction allows more time for character because you don't have to worry about creating a world and explaining it.

I can appreciate that perspective. I read and write almost solely for character. Like you were saying, if the book has no real human depth, it won't hold my attention or respect. The setting is secondary to me and it can add some flavor, but to me even the setting is about how it affects the characters and how they move through the world, whether it's a real place or a fantasy land.

When it's fantasy, the author has to take time and space in the book to introduce the reader to the world. This is true of historical fiction or contemporary fiction set in a foreign country also. It may be a more extensive in fantasy, but it depends on how outlandish the setting is and how much the author wants to explain. Have you ever read Steven Brust? In his Vlad Taltos series, he has an obviously well-developed unique fantasy world, but he doesn't lay it all out for the reader to digest. It's all through the character through first person narrative and Vlad explains only the things he thinks you need to know about to get his story.

I love fantasy. I love character. I know that if I ever write a novel it'll be fantasy and character-driven. With fantasy, you can explore new sides to people. Just because it's make-believe doesn't mean it's any less true for the human experience. And in some ways, fantasy can let a writer get closer to the emotional truth. Besides, the lack of constraints in fantasy inspires the imagination.

About the whole 'fantasy is for children' thing--I find it very tiring that people insist on this perspective when it's obviously untrue. At the same time, I don't mind associating myself with the 'children's section.' There are some awesome things there because children are people too with fabulous imaginations.

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Thank you for reading and replying. I'll have a better response for you than this later in the evening when I don't have to be to work in about 2 minutes.

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:) Okay.

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Yup.

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Okay, so here's my proper reply now. :)

While your brother has somewhat of a point, it's not true of all writers that they'll sit there and explain every aspect of a world unless it adds details that affect the characters and what they would do in a given situation. You can take almost any genre and have someone overwrite about the setting in it to try and beat the reader to death with their point--it's not exclusive to fantasy. So while I, like you, can understand and appreciate that point, it can be found anywhere in any genre.

I've never read Brust, no, but I can see what you're talking about. It's the skillful author that needs to decide what's crucial for their audience to know, and then, through their characters and their characters' experiences, bring that setting and situation to life so even if you don't agree with what the character says/does in a situation because it's such a radically different reaction from one you might give, you can still understand and maybe even sympathize to a point why they did what they chose to do.

In the setting I'm making, a lot of things will be based on speculation--I know using my own stuff as an example is lame, but it's all I can think of right now. My story's going to be a combination of science-fiction (a scenario that perhaps someday might happen thousands of years into the future) and some fantasy thrown in there, too. People had a lot of technology early in the world's history, but ended up losing a lot of it and needing to go back and rely on simpler methods of living, and their cultures reflect that as well as what they believe happened in their histories. So, it's going to be a lot of fantastical stuff on my part, not hard science by any means, but I'm applying research here and there where I feel it'll work better for the story. Of course, too, it's a long way off from being actually written...In some ways I'm trying to use my imagination and in other ways I want to make sure my explanations for why things are happening make sense in the context they're being presented in. Make sense? In other words, I agree with fantasy's/sci-fi's lack of constraints inspiring the imagination. =P

The 'fantasy for children only' thing really makes me want to kick some people. It's just ignorant to keep insisting it is when proof shows otherwise. And, some of the best fantasy I've read has been for kids--in many ways adults wouldn't care for it because it would go down avenues they've been taught are 'childish' or 'impossible.' It doesn't pay to have a closed mind, to me.

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:) I agree with all your points. This is probably obvious, but I think you should read Brust. Also, I've read a number of fantasy books that turned out to be more science fiction--the classic method being that humans came to a new planet and lost their technology. I think it's cool. :)

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My challenge will be making it as cliche-less as possible. I know that's tough and isn't a real word, but, yeah. And I should be getting to Brust after I'm done Robin Hobb.

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